tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007632461892109454.post1017815420650989174..comments2024-01-29T08:21:19.450+03:00Comments on Oderint Dum Probent: Action at Vinna, 16/26 August 1708.Gromoboyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14513137327707308631noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007632461892109454.post-28133398160731375212014-10-11T21:56:09.526+04:002014-10-11T21:56:09.526+04:00Знамя хорошо известно. В экспозиции - новодел по о...Знамя хорошо известно. В экспозиции - новодел по описанию, в оригинале оно выглядело немного иначе (см фото из Музея Армии в Стокгольме)<br />http://rusmilhist.blogspot.ru/2010/11/pskov-streltzy-in-1700-campaign-changes.htmlGromoboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14513137327707308631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007632461892109454.post-9993561221568370242014-10-11T19:51:16.508+04:002014-10-11T19:51:16.508+04:00Оффтоп:
знамя псковских стрельцов:
http://birserg-...Оффтоп:<br />знамя псковских стрельцов:<br />http://birserg-1977.livejournal.com/100181.htmlМаксhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00833404416421813799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007632461892109454.post-88562314610548774782014-10-09T12:24:21.417+04:002014-10-09T12:24:21.417+04:00I don't think so. Without knowing what Ankarst...I don't think so. Without knowing what Ankarstierna's instruction looked like I cannot say for sure, but I would think that it was something like "communicate with Lybecker and assist his army in the appropriate manner". If Lybecker wanted Ankarstierna's assistance he would ask him directly and (I assume) Ankarstierna would help if he believed it possible. To go through Stockholm would only cause delays. Bengt Nilssonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15416057529387059704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007632461892109454.post-60371791029796448372014-10-09T12:17:18.075+04:002014-10-09T12:17:18.075+04:00It worked a bit like that when Charles was in Livo...It worked a bit like that when Charles was in Livonia or Courland, although "councils of war" were quite unheard of in the King's army (Lewenhaupt, Lybecker and other independent commanders did hold them though). As soon as Charles left the Baltic area he delegated authority to Cronhjort and Schlippenbach. They were told that they answered only to him, but could make decisions about military operations on their own, using their own judgment. Bengt Nilssonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15416057529387059704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007632461892109454.post-76773322986866794582014-10-08T21:23:57.605+04:002014-10-08T21:23:57.605+04:00Situation in Russian army during GNW was absolutel...Situation in Russian army during GNW was absolutely different. Russian generals acted only after Tzar's orders or after his approvals. It doesn't mean that he agreed any movement, but all significant decisions were approved by him. For example let's look at the Sheremetev's raid in Estland in 1703.The idea came to Sheremetev in the end of July of 1703. On the 3rd of August he had a Council with Menshekov where they done a proposal. The Council's meeting minutes were approved by Tzar on 15 of August. Sheremetev got Tzar's answer on 18th & marched for the campaign on the 23rd. Gromoboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14513137327707308631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007632461892109454.post-11697160844568708882014-10-08T21:16:36.879+04:002014-10-08T21:16:36.879+04:00Bengt thank you very much for your explanations!
...Bengt thank you very much for your explanations! <br /><br />How did Lubecker coordinate his actions with Anckarstjerna? Asked him through Defensionskommissionen?Gromoboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14513137327707308631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007632461892109454.post-1374945273187702252014-10-07T16:53:54.642+04:002014-10-07T16:53:54.642+04:00I may well have been his plan, but he had no defin...I may well have been his plan, but he had no definite orders from anyone. Which (again) was logical as the King generally avoided issuing firm orders to generals who commanded outside his own area of knowledge. The government in Stockholm was equally reluctant to issue such firm orders as they wanted to avoid the impression that they were interfering in the King's business.<br /><br />So the entire Ingrian campaign of 1708 was planned and executed by Lybecker himself, of course with input from the higher officers in his army. The same goes for the actions by commanders in Estonia and Livonia. <br /><br />The only exception was Lewenhaupt's army. It was first ordered to collect supplies for three months and then (in late May) ordered to march to a certain place in Lithuania (Berezina Pacowska, west of Lepel in modern Belarus)Bengt Nilssonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15416057529387059704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007632461892109454.post-7342211548991719122014-10-07T11:54:47.458+04:002014-10-07T11:54:47.458+04:00Bengt! According to Peter Froms book "Katastr...Bengt! According to Peter Froms book "Katastrofen vid Poltava" one reason why Lybecker attacked Ingria was to release some pressure from the main army in the south.Gustavus Adolphushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03472367346472795698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007632461892109454.post-45948313427594940202014-10-07T00:10:01.086+04:002014-10-07T00:10:01.086+04:00Charles XII simply did not conduct the war like th...Charles XII simply did not conduct the war like that. After he left the Baltic area in early 1702 Cronhjort, Schlippenbach (and later Lewenhaupt) were given carte blanche. If they felt it was possible to conduct offensive operations - excellent. If they felt it necessary to remain on the defensive - fine. They were in command and should act according to their own judgment of the situation. That was (after early 1702) all he asked of them. <br /><br />There was one exception in 1706 where he ordered Lewenhaupt to support the operations around Grodno by offensive action. Lewenhaupt refused, listing his reasons. The King eventually accepted this and the incident had no repercussions for Lewenhaupt (who was promoted to General and Governor of Riga).Bengt Nilssonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15416057529387059704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007632461892109454.post-21800293346749634672014-10-06T23:52:30.321+04:002014-10-06T23:52:30.321+04:00It has been proven beyond any doubt whatsoever tha...It has been proven beyond any doubt whatsoever that Lybecker indeed acted on his own. He received no orders from Charles XII, which was very logical as the King almost never gave direct and firm orders to commanders who acted outside areas which the King had personal knowledge of (notable other examples being Cronhjort, Schlippenbach and Lewenhaupt). <br /><br />The only other authority which theoretically could have given Lybecker attack orders was the Council of the Realm in Stockholm (specifically Defensionskommissionen). On 18 June 1708 Lybecker wrote "Defensionskommissionen", stating that he had not received any orders from the King. Lybecker outlined his plans and asked if the committee felt that it was advisable for him to act accordingly. The committee replied on 7 July, saying that Lybecker should primarily consider the safety of Viborg. But, the committee continued, if Lybecker got information that the King and Lewenhaupt had been able to force the enemy to retreat it was not reasonable to have the Finnish army standing idly by. That's it. Bengt Nilssonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15416057529387059704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007632461892109454.post-75999981153146447052014-10-06T20:30:51.872+04:002014-10-06T20:30:51.872+04:00I doubt that Lubecker made the assault on his own....I doubt that Lubecker made the assault on his own. Swedish troops at one time approached to Narwa, Dorpat & S. Peterburg. They looks like coordinated actions.Gromoboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14513137327707308631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007632461892109454.post-44716243368561202022014-10-05T22:45:58.213+04:002014-10-05T22:45:58.213+04:00I don't believe there was any plan as ambitiou...I don't believe there was any plan as ambitious as recapturing Ingria. Lybecker had no attack orders whatsoever, neither from the King nor from Stockholm. He simply felt that he ought to do something. Stromberg shared this view and seems to have had ideas of supporting any advance by Lybecker.<br /><br />Bengt Nilssonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15416057529387059704noreply@blogger.com